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	<title>Comments on: Enterprise 2.0 SaaS: Customer Benefit or Vendor Convenience?</title>
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		<title>By: 15 ways to spark a fight in the E2.0 community. &#124; burningCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>15 ways to spark a fight in the E2.0 community. &#124; burningCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 15 ways to spark a fight in the E2.0 community. &#124; Gil Yehuda's Enterprise 2.0 Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>15 ways to spark a fight in the E2.0 community. &#124; Gil Yehuda's Enterprise 2.0 Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sameer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sameer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughtful comments Greg. All good points reflecting what the larger market is comfortable with at the moment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, my post was not meant to be a hit job on the SaaS marketplace. This was intended to highlight the need to be honest about what the -customer- requires to be successful, going forward. The SaaS market place and cloud based offerings are early in their life cycle and I&#039;m a huge fan. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I had some excellent conversations with some v smart folks at companies such as CubeTree and SocialCast, amongst others. If I&#039;m right about the market need for deep integration and physical resources to really ensure success, I&#039;m sure these providers will find ways to alter their models to respond to market realities. As long as they have the clarity to look at it objectively. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CIOs will continue to get more and more comfortable with opening up their firewalls to hybrid SaaS and on premise solutions, when it makes business sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful comments Greg. All good points reflecting what the larger market is comfortable with at the moment.</p>
<p>That said, my post was not meant to be a hit job on the SaaS marketplace. This was intended to highlight the need to be honest about what the -customer- requires to be successful, going forward. The SaaS market place and cloud based offerings are early in their life cycle and I&#39;m a huge fan. </p>
<p>I had some excellent conversations with some v smart folks at companies such as CubeTree and SocialCast, amongst others. If I&#39;m right about the market need for deep integration and physical resources to really ensure success, I&#39;m sure these providers will find ways to alter their models to respond to market realities. As long as they have the clarity to look at it objectively. </p>
<p>CIOs will continue to get more and more comfortable with opening up their firewalls to hybrid SaaS and on premise solutions, when it makes business sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Twitted by carolyndouglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitted by carolyndouglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: grlloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>grlloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sameer - very good analysis! SAS (or a cloud hosted instance) is very attractive for small to medium business, independent organizations with no IT infrastructure, and pilot - or skunk work use - in larger enterprises. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But as soon as you cross to widespread use in larger enterprises, the need for effective integration (interoperability) with LDAP / AD directories and NTLM for Microsoft shops is a practical necessity. Nobody in their right mind would consider parallel creating and maintaining parallel authentication servers, account names, passwords, email etc - assuming that you want to be able to rely on authenticated access and identity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The next step up the ladder is when customers need to deal with tens, hundreds - or thousands - of permissioned spaces and thousands - or hundred of thousands - of authenticated participants including external customers, suppliers, clients, resellers etc. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/V7ge&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/V7ge&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now you need to a way to express access in terms of roles defined by LDAP or AD properties or queries - and do it efficiently while taking into account group and member changes etc. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Google just started to offer external synchronization with internal LDAP services using technology from its Postini purchase. But most corporate CIO&#039;s would consider this a pretty daring (i.e. risky) approach if the same service can be delivered on premise economically with subscription pricing and &quot;Maytag repairman&quot; level IT support requirements.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Effective authentication and permission-based loose coupling of social software and incumbent applications (effectively single sign-on for links following and permission aware enterprise search) is tough on premises and an enormous challenge if the social software component lives outside the firewall.  &quot;Requires behind-the-scenes voodoo&quot; is a good description.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Needless to say I see this as a big advantage for best of breed vendors who offer on premise and hosted/SAS options along with exceptional consulting, services and support. Consulting, services and support delivered using their own software presumably - but it&#039;s always prudent to check!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sameer &#8211; very good analysis! SAS (or a cloud hosted instance) is very attractive for small to medium business, independent organizations with no IT infrastructure, and pilot &#8211; or skunk work use &#8211; in larger enterprises. </p>
<p>But as soon as you cross to widespread use in larger enterprises, the need for effective integration (interoperability) with LDAP / AD directories and NTLM for Microsoft shops is a practical necessity. Nobody in their right mind would consider parallel creating and maintaining parallel authentication servers, account names, passwords, email etc &#8211; assuming that you want to be able to rely on authenticated access and identity.</p>
<p>The next step up the ladder is when customers need to deal with tens, hundreds &#8211; or thousands &#8211; of permissioned spaces and thousands &#8211; or hundred of thousands &#8211; of authenticated participants including external customers, suppliers, clients, resellers etc. See <a href="http://bit.ly/V7ge" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/V7ge</a>. </p>
<p>Now you need to a way to express access in terms of roles defined by LDAP or AD properties or queries &#8211; and do it efficiently while taking into account group and member changes etc. </p>
<p>Google just started to offer external synchronization with internal LDAP services using technology from its Postini purchase. But most corporate CIO&#39;s would consider this a pretty daring (i.e. risky) approach if the same service can be delivered on premise economically with subscription pricing and &#8220;Maytag repairman&#8221; level IT support requirements.</p>
<p>Effective authentication and permission-based loose coupling of social software and incumbent applications (effectively single sign-on for links following and permission aware enterprise search) is tough on premises and an enormous challenge if the social software component lives outside the firewall.  &#8220;Requires behind-the-scenes voodoo&#8221; is a good description.</p>
<p>Needless to say I see this as a big advantage for best of breed vendors who offer on premise and hosted/SAS options along with exceptional consulting, services and support. Consulting, services and support delivered using their own software presumably &#8211; but it&#39;s always prudent to check!</p>
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		<title>By: XkiD &#124; Enterprise 2.0 SaaS: Customer Benefit or Vendor Convenience? &#124; blog.xkid.ro</title>
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		<dc:creator>XkiD &#124; Enterprise 2.0 SaaS: Customer Benefit or Vendor Convenience? &#124; blog.xkid.ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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